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Power Supplies

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Jim, has your opinion of the MFJ power supply changed or do you 
still recommend it over other switching power supplies? Anyone 
else using it?

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I'm gonna be ordering the MFJ-4245MV later today... This is the 
45amp "Big Brother" of the MFJ-4225MV that Jim reported on. 
Actually it's only a pound And a half heavier and slightly 
bigger... I don't want to have to reduce voltage To 10v and use 
lo power setting on the amp just to get the tube lit as Jim 
Reported...

I've been spoiled by my Astron 50 amp VS-50M.... 46 pounds of 
solid, indestructable Power!.... 

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> I'm gonna be ordering the MFJ-4245MV later today... This is the 45amp "Big
> Brother" of the MFJ-4225MV 

I did not know there was a larger one. Good! I was wondering 
if there was a larger one since Jim had problems with the 25A 
version. Do you have an idea on cost? Do you have to order 
from MFJ or is Left Coast carrying them?

> I've been spoiled by my Astron 50 amp VS-50M.... 46 pounds of solid, 
> indestructable Power!.... 

That's the way I feel about even the 35M. Bulletproof. I 
think it is because I use short cables, but I have never read 
over 11A on the meter, so 25A would likely be fine, but I 
would get the 45A for the extra margin anyway if it is 
reasonably priced.

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I have purchased no less than 4 different switching power 
supplies and found only one that ever worked correctly and 
wasn't subject to a feedback "hash". This hash sound would 
interfere with the operation of the power supply and upset the 
devices wave. I have discovered that the way to fix this is to 
add more capacitance across the output terminals of the power 
supply.

I got a 4700 uf electrolytic cap from Radio Shack, and 
connected it across the output terminals of the power supply. 
Negative end to the negative output, and positive end of the 
cap to the positive output of the power supply. This pretty 
well solved the hash problem and made the system sing very 
nicely .

A bit more capacitance should optimize this fix. I would say 
look for about a 6000 uf (or mfd - same thing ) cap at 20 volts 
minimum to bridge between the output posts of the power supply.

This applies to switching power supplies only! These supplies 
are the PC30 which a lot of people have purchased, the Kenwood, 
Astron, and the Samlex.

The arrows on the side of the capacitor point to the negative 
end! Do not install backwards, the cap will literally explode!

Jim

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Another though here, if hash is a problem is to use a car hi fi noise
suppressor. These things usually consist of one or two inductors and a
capacitor or two for much greater attenuation of garbage.

Cheers,
Trevor Wilson

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The MFJ 45A switching power supply (non hashing) is
now available from MFJ for $199, or the following:

$179.00
Texas Towers, 1108 Summit Ave., Ste. #4, 
Plano, TX 75074
(972) 422-7306 / (800) 272-3467

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> I'm researching hardware, and am wallowing in freedom of choices. 
> I'm inclined to choose the Pyramid PS-52K over the Astron RS-50A or M --
> -- (based primarily on cost/power tradeoffs and some other individual
> recommendations.)
> What's your opinion? quality? ...

I don't have experience with the PS52K, but do with their 30A. 
Until recently, people had problems with Pyramid supplies due 
to RF noise, but they recently started building RF filters into 
them, and they work fine - something to consider if you are 
looking at used ones.

The MFJ45 works fine, too, and is also a switching power supply 
with good filtering. Considering it is 45A and about $200 and 
has lighted gauges, it is probably a better deal than the PS30 
for $180. But, my current portable unit has a PS30 and works 
great. Looks good too since it is covered with cooling fins, 
plus has a thermostat controlled fan, but no ON-OFF switch 
(which is good to have when there's a Kinnaman and you want to 
keep the fan noise down when programming it.)

> (FYI: I decided on a larger supply than the RS-35A in Dr. Bare's book
> to allow for growth and expansion.)

Unless you are planning on using a 500W or so amp, I could not 
imagine needing a power supply larger than 35A. The least 
efficient setups (long cables, crummy tube wrapping => hot 
components) I have tried with max power on the amp have not 
exceeded 15A, and I typically run about 10-12A at max power on 
the amp with good setups.

> Is the 52K acceptable? (as per harmonic suppression?)

You don't need to worry about harmonic suppression with power 
supplies, they just need good noise filtering. I still put 
clamshell or torroid chokes on all inputs and output of the 
power supplies I use.

> Can it output a clean lower power output like the Astron RS-35A?

I have never used it, but I imagine its RF filtering works as 
well as on the 35A. BTW, the 35M is only a few dollars more 
and gives you voltage and current gauges.

You do know that the difference between the, say, MFJ45A and 
the Astron 52? The MFJ weighs about (guessing here) 6 pounds 
and the Astron about 40. Definitely something to consider if 
you ever plan on moving the device. Back in the days when 
Astron was the only recommended supply to use, I had a very 
strong (and heavy in itself) rack to hold the BRG, and had to 
make the power supply easy to remove since the combination was 
so heavy.

> Problems? Horror stories?

Just about the hernia-inducing lugging of my BRG when it had an 
Astron in it.

I still think the Astron is superior to switching power 
supplies, and would use it if portablity was not an issue.

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Tech America once again has the Samlex 1223 switching power supply on sale.
This is a dual volt 110-120 / 220-240 unit. The same unit is used by Don
Tunney in his units. 13.8 volts @ 23 amps. For many of our applications, it
will need the addition of about 10,000 to 20,000 uf @ 16 volts or more
electrolytic cap across the output terminals .

Price on sale is $79.95 each Shipping and handling charges vary but are
very reasonable

Item # 910-3916 www.techam.com

24 hour fax 1-800-813-0087
24 hour phone 1-800-877-0072 

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Recently, we encountered a problem with our 1223 
switching power supply. We had been running about 15 minutes, 
driving a small linear amplifier which was supporting about a 
50 watt resistive/capacitive load. 

The input program switched from around 800hz to 20hz, 
whereupon the controlling software placed the system in PAUSE. 
Proper adjustments for low-frequency inputs were executed 
and.....the instant the system input signal was 
reactivated----BOOM, there goes one of the big switches, plus a 
couple of peripheral components.

V.T. Singh, one of the lab supervisors at Samlex (in 
Canada) called me, upon their receipt of our failed device and 
related the following: First, this power supply has NO 
high-capacitance power filter directly in front of the 
switches; nor does it have a fast-rise clamping circuit on the 
output (although it does possess normal current limiting in the 
output). Mr. Singh informed that due to the nature of the 
linear AMP reflecting ANY sizeable, instantaneous, load 
increase directly to the power supply......at high 
speed....places the power supply in the position of looking at 
EXTREMELY steep current demand spikes. Essentially, you have 
an avalanching condition taking out the switch in a VERY SHORT 
TIME! An this, no matter if the AVERAGE LOAD is well within the 
nominal operating current limits. The problem seems to be that 
the switches are wiped out INSTANTLY....before the current 
limiting function can respond to this, particular, state of 
affairs.

After considerable, confusing, exchange, I gleaned that 
short of straping a fully-charged automotive battery across the 
output of the 1223, there is no guarantee one is not subject to 
random repetition of this failure. 

Mr. Singh related a very interesting observation to 
me: "Switching power supplies, of this type, DO NOT LIKE LOW 
FREQUENCY AUDIO LOADS'. (Caps are my emphasis).

Although he did not overtly recommend such an addition, 
Mr. Singh did appear to, passively-agree to my suggestion that 
1500-2000 mfd of electrolytic across the output of the 1223 
would mitigate against most such occurrences. 

I would be interested to know if anyone else in our 
little community has experienced any kindred behavior in their 
SEC 1223?

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

P.S. The Samlex people were very cordial and accommodating and 
are repairing the device at no charge. Their people appear 
very intelligent and quite technologically competent. 

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saw the problems people had with their power supplies I thought 
you might of put what I did on it... adding lots of capactance 
to it...since it made a difference in how the beam felt to me. 
I see a few thousand microfards added, is suppose to make a 
difference on your webpage... really I have found that MORE is 
better..it just feels better. Probably the one one that it 
might not of made a difference on is the Astron like the one 
you and I both have..I added more to it anyway.. WHY? because I 
could and there was plenty of room to spare inside of the 
case...I will eventually bring it up to 100,000 mfd...just 
because I can...and it makes me feel better knowing that I at 
least did something.. hey I cant leave well enough alone..ha 
ha...you know that, Brian..I GOTTA tinker with it some..ha ha 
on a large scale assembly line they cant do that..because of 
the cost....on a 1 on 1 basis, you can do that...modify it....

it really does make a difference in how it feels and really 
helps it operate better.

caps are cheap...your try it yourself and see...okay yeah I 
know, you dont feel the beam...so maybe someone else you know 
who can feel and has had alot of exposure to it, might be able 
to feel the difference... anyway its a cheap modification to 
do..and people buy what they can afford... yeah sure I want a 
super clean power supply thats light weight and its out of my 
budget...so I make do with what I can and beef it up...works 
for me and it will work for you too, okay

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I found a source for some really big caps in the correct 
voltage - Cheap!

Try Hosfelt Electronics 1-800-524-6464 phone
Fax 1-800-524-5414

Out of US phone 740-264-6464

Hosfelt Electronics
2700 Sunset Blvd.
Steubenville, OH 43952-1158

89,000 mfd @ 15 volts item # 15-835 $5.95

55,000 mfd @ 30 volts item 15-761 $9.95

Others are available at similar prices

Warning!!! Large caps such as these will store a very large 
charge of electricity. They can give you a very nasty shock 
even when the power is off !

Jim Bare


>So how much extra added captance will I add?..A WHOLE BUNCH...
>My PC-30 didnt start to feel smooth till I added 45,000 mfd to it...it
>now has more, because that is only what I could feel..
>
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>This Samlex...well...no sense in making several trips to the electronics
>store...I will probably add A WHOLE BUNCH to it also...about 80,000 mfd
>worth....

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Well over a two years ago I recieved a couple of reports from 
people that using two separate power supplies on the device 
seemed to help the effects. The recommended set up was to use 
one small supply for the CB and a large supply for the linear.

I tried this and although there was some minor enhancement, I 
never said much about it, as I didn't really think it worth the 
expense or effort. In fact I have continued to use just one 
power supply for my personal systems.

For whatever reason I decided to take another look at using two 
power supplies this last week. I used one for the function gen 
and CB, and one solely dedicated to the linear. Not much 
difference with standard continuous output, but... when put in 
pulse mode the difference in the pulsing tube was quite 
significant. In fact the difference was enough that I will be 
picking up some small power supplies to run my CB at least 
separately from the linear.

I think what is happening is that the pulse mode upsets the 
supply, it sees a small load for the CB and function gen 
first.Then a few microseconds later the linear puts load on the 
power supply. At a certain gate rate the system shuts down and 
then restarts again. Puts a lot of stress on the power supply 
doing this. Result is a compromize from the power supply, it 
just does the best it can. A small 4 to 5 amp power supply is 
all that is needed for the CB, function gen and the lights . 

The extra power supply enhances the device only slightly in 
continuous mode as there is a rhythym and timing to the pulse 
that gives the power supply time to adapt.

Worth trying, and highly recommended if you tend to use the 
pulse mode on your frequency generator.

Jim

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